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There are several types of counterfeit 8 reales coins:
1. Cast copies:
This type of forgeries is not easy to be distinguished from the original on a photograph (especially on the small sized standard ebay picture).
Cast coins look all like the replicated coin, but also include all of its flaws.
Hint: The weight is always below the usual 27-28 grams and you would probably find exactly the same coin (sometimes toned differently), but bearing the same flaws (as mentioned above), which is not to be met on the original struck examples.
Beware of COA´s without picture of the coin and uncertain issuer: Such certificates are often include only a short story of a certain shipwreck, but they do not describe the coin exaclty and do not include the usual numbering and reference data about the coin. Such a certificate (even if issued in good faith) can be combined with ANY coin and is therefore not trustable.
2. Struck copies:
I will like to include more images and help more people of being scammed like i was once, , unfortunatelly there are only 10 images allowed in ebay´s guide feature.
I would also like to list the users who are still selling such counterfeits (i contacted few of them and they are mostly claiming that they are novices and are not aware of selling (sometimes 10 or 15 rare counterfeited colonial coins), but i am afraid then i will be attacked by them and their complices.
1. Cast copies:
This type of forgeries is not easy to be distinguished from the original on a photograph (especially on the small sized standard ebay picture).
Cast coins look all like the replicated coin, but also include all of its flaws.
Hint: The weight is always below the usual 27-28 grams and you would probably find exactly the same coin (sometimes toned differently), but bearing the same flaws (as mentioned above), which is not to be met on the original struck examples.
Beware of COA´s without picture of the coin and uncertain issuer: Such certificates are often include only a short story of a certain shipwreck, but they do not describe the coin exaclty and do not include the usual numbering and reference data about the coin. Such a certificate (even if issued in good faith) can be combined with ANY coin and is therefore not trustable.
Such coins can have the original weight of 27 gm (NEVER ABOVE 28gm!)
Hint: These rather cheaply produced examples will have many style issues, such as unusual lettering style and simplifiyed designs. So if you compare them with a decent example, they should be easy to detect.
3. New improved forgeries of extremely high quality (cast with new techniques) - THE MOST DANGEROUS ONES!Hint: These rather cheaply produced examples will have many style issues, such as unusual lettering style and simplifiyed designs. So if you compare them with a decent example, they should be easy to detect.
Such examples are looking very nice (some times just too nice) and are appearing since midlle of 2008.
They currently come witha a fake black patina, and with exotic countermarks, which are not well done if compared to the originals (you can see original countermarks in the world coin catalogue of Krause Publications).
Hint: The letters appear flat (instead of round), the planchets are always smaller and thicker.
Known types:
General hints:They currently come witha a fake black patina, and with exotic countermarks, which are not well done if compared to the originals (you can see original countermarks in the world coin catalogue of Krause Publications).
Hint: The letters appear flat (instead of round), the planchets are always smaller and thicker.
Known types:
- 1737 Mexico (MR) 8 Reales
- 1739 Mexico (MF) 8 Reales
- 1742 Mexico (MF) 8 Reales
- 1751 Mexico (MF) 8 Reales
- 1754 Mexico (MF) 8 Reales
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- 1759 Mexico (MM) 8 Reales
- 1761 Mexico (MF) 8 Reales
- 1762 Madrid (JP) 8 Reales - a very rare coin usually priced at 800$+ (do not trust anybody who sells it fo 275$)
- 1762 Guatemala (P) 8 Reales - very rare and hard to find coin (if you see this one be cautious!)
- 1765 Mexico (MF) 8 Reales
- 1769 Lima (JM) 8 Reales
- 1772 Lima (JM) 8 Reales
- 1734 Mexico (MF) 4 Reales
- 1777 Potosi (PR) 4 Reales with Goerge I countermark (appears more round instead of oval compared to the original issues
- 1765 Mexico (MF) 4 Reales
- 1781 Chile / Santiago (DA) 4 Reales - A very rare coin (if you see this one be cautious!)
- Sellers of fake coins will always try to sell coins outside eBay!
They will do this because you can not leave them a negative feedback and because PayPal will ignore you if you file a dipsute because of the genuinity of the coins you are receiving. Be very cautious if you get such an offer! - Sellers of fake coins will try to sell you other coins for exchange of the ones you are returning!
They will offer you cheap coins at outragous prices or expensive coins, which are also counterfeits.
I would also like to list the users who are still selling such counterfeits (i contacted few of them and they are mostly claiming that they are novices and are not aware of selling (sometimes 10 or 15 rare counterfeited colonial coins), but i am afraid then i will be attacked by them and their complices.
Guide created: 12/15/08 (updated 05/21/12)
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