I was new on computers and Ebay when this Cat 416Series 2 4x4 Came Up For Sale On Ebay,I  Thought .Idid my bidding and lost.Then came a second chance offer on the same Machine.Well I bought It,Paid 6500.00 +275.00 To send the money Western Union,I never got the Backhoe or My money Back.I guess I was one of the unfortnant Few that kevbrw got to.